Security and two-factor authentication are becoming more and more ingrained in our day-to-day lives, especially at work. If your work involves signing onto cloud services, chances are you’ve encountered Okta, a single sign-on tool that allows teams to authenticate users into the menagerie of digital tools they rely on every day.

In this episode of Drawn Out Conversations, CircleCI CTO Rob Zuber welcomes President of Technology at Okta, Hector Aguilar, into the studio to talk through (and draw) the authentication engine that powers much of the tech world. Hector talks Rob through Okta’s architecture, and shares how his team is able to gain the confidence in their code needed to run software that the world relies on.

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This episode is as funny as it is educational, as Rob and Hector’s conversation flows from authentication to load balancers to why old APIs never quite go away, and much more.